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Jan. 3rd, 2002 | 12:05 pm

There are a lot of things in the world to be thankful for. I am thankful for a few, but not many of them. Why you ask? I honestly don't know. There are a lot of things that have been "dealt" to me that I wish would never have happened. There is nothing that one can really do about that though. Life goes on.

Sometimes I wonder if "god" has it out for me though. There were complications when I was born. There were complications in my early childhood. Hell, all throughout my life there have been complications. That is true for most people though, but not necessarily in the same way. Most of my complications have been health related... some much more serious than others.

Anyway, from that I digress to another topic. A topic of spite, which is something that seems to occur all too frequently. Why do we, as human beings, follow pack mentalities? Why do we attack others for their actions? That is a great question... and as I am sure you all can imagine, there are several reasons for it.

People find comfort in the near anonymity of pack mentality. People are more likely to pursue actions that they would never do alone, as long as the "group" is doing it. People fear being singled out.

Other things such as jealousy of ones actions or attention, cause people to band together and attack. One slang term that is often attached to that is "hater" but that isn't really what it is. Look at a case like Britney Spears. She has troves of people that love her to death, and still more that hate everything she is and stands for. Why so much of a contrast? Envy? Perhaps that is what it is. Those that hate her could be the ones that are most envious of her. Does that point stand up under scrutiny though? Probably more than one might think.

It isn't always envy in situations such as that though. There can be something truly rooted in their feelings against that person. Sticking with our example, some people view Britney as being a "whore" and a "symbol of objectification of women". Well, yes... she is an "object of desire"... because that is what she is marketed as. I would never go so far to say that just because she dresses the way she does, or acts the way she does... that she is a whore though. Others however, do go that far.

I have a friend that has an absolute hate towards Britney. You even mention her name, and my friend gets pissed off to the point of near tears. Why though? Well, that is a somewhat long story... but it basically sums down to one thing. She is massively jealous and as a result.. insecure over it. She suffers from a classic, "how is she better than me?" type thought pattern. See, it's deeper than that though.I think that Britney makes her feel inadequate... because Britney has Justin and not her. Jealousy... near obsession, but far from envy. She despises everything about Britney, but to me... that all seems like misplaced spite. What she really hates, seems to be the fact that she isn't the one getting the attention.

Anyway, there was... is... a point to this. We all have reasons for our actions. Sometimes they are because we are in a group. Sometimes they are because we are envious. Yet other times, they are because we truly dislike, or have moral objections to, something or someone.

Recently, I was involved in some drama. I have also been involved in drama in the past. Why though? Well, look at the topics both times. They were seeded in betrayal... cheating. Be it none of my business or not, I take deep concern and objection with acts of cheating or even perceived acts. Some times I overstep bounds. We all do it at times.

The other issue of drama that I have been involved in is lj development and credit/respect on that issue. No matter what anyone says, what I have done for lj, be it in actual code development or in idea generation or veto, I have helped mold lj. Things I have suggested have been implemented. Things I have done have been used. LJ wouldn't be quite the same experience if I had never stumbled onto it. Some people recognize that, others don't. The ones that don't are those that I have argued with and those that I have belittled.

Regardless though, none of it matters. The current drama, I should have stayed out of. However, I felt that I had a valid reason to state what I stated (because I trusted the sources that told me what they told me) and I was also tired of the "character" portrayed. The drama with deb, was really none of my concern.. but I viewed her as a friend and was acting under that. How her situation ended up after time.. speaks for itself I guess. In regards to the lj dev drama, I will never take disrespect, ever.

life. mistakes. problems. triumphs. failures. drama. we deal with them every day. some of them, we avoid. I should work more on that avoidance.

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Tim

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from: visions
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 01:06 pm (UTC)
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wrong. what i did was not jealousy at all. what i did was a result of me already being pissed off at joe, aka billiam, for his lying about the truth, his rude comments, and various other things including upsetting a friend of mine... then i was told by several people about his actions as billiam which i had moral issues with and that pushed me to the point that i felt like i had to say something.

in regards to learning something from the experience, i learned nothing other than to not 100% believe what sources tell me. in regards to being in other peoples business, billiam (joe) made rude comments to me in the past, so he made me a part of his business since ultimately, that was the reason i even persued any sort of action.

as for your judging of me.. you have no more right than i have. look at your own actions before you criticize others.

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Tim

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from: visions
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 08:07 pm (UTC)
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your holier than thou attitude is obvious. now move along.

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helena.

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from: tootsie_roll
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 10:51 am (UTC)
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hrm ... this made me think. a lot.

i also despise britney a little - but it doesn't mean i downgrade her as a person. i'm sure she's a great friend, outstanding person, the whole nine yards. the only thing that erks me about her is that she's a studio-produced voice. she never, ever sings LIVE - waaay back when i had an obsession for a little group named Nsync, she opened for them, and i saw her. not impressed to say the least. but, she can dance like a mofo. i will give her that, and i do envy her in that respect.

anyways, i know this post wasn't about britney at all. i think there are a lot more people who have recognized yer input into LJ than you know. so don't worry about people who don't realize that ... they're chumps ;) and i believe you did have good intentions will the latest 'drama' - you were just trying to be a good guy. some things are better left untouched tho ... atleast by people who are not directly involved. and i think yer better friends realized your efforts and are even more confident of their friendship with you. they'll never hafta wonder if you'll be there protecting and defending them. so, if something else came good out of this - that would be it.

and that's what i think ... hope you don't disagree with me too much. have a good day, friend!

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Tim

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from: visions
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 01:08 pm (UTC)
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thanks sweetie.

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helena.

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from: tootsie_roll
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 09:56 pm (UTC)
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welcome.

*scratches head*

welcome :)

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from: katrinaxbina
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 05:58 pm (UTC)
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the only thing that erks me about her is that she's a studio-produced voice. she never, ever sings LIVE

thing is.. and this is what i realized after thinking the same thing you said..

britney spears isn't a singer.. CERTAINLY not a songwriter..

she's a performer.

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Papillon

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from: buttaflii
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 06:41 pm (UTC)
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"the only thing that erks me about her is that she's a studio-produced voice. she never, ever sings LIVE"

See, the thing is, speaking as a singer myself, it's damn hard to sing while dancing, ESPECIALLY with the crazy moves that Britney churns out. I'm no big Britney fan either, but I've concluded that although her voice leaves much to be desired, it's the fact that she's an excellent performer that draws her crowd. (And perhaps the fact that she's got some decent songwriters behind her)

I'm not entirely sure if she never sings live, though. I thought that she sang live when she did a slow song when I was watching her on TV, but I could be wrong.

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helena.

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from: tootsie_roll
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 09:49 pm (UTC)
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not speaking as a singer myself, i can say that yea - singing while breaking moves like her is probably a tough task ... but it doesn't stop other pop acts from doing it.

i was just talking about shows i've seen her on - especially when she is dancing a hella-lot and is perfect as far as notes and such. but i could be wrong as well.

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Papillon

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from: buttaflii
date: Jan. 4th, 2002 07:03 am (UTC)
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No, it certainly doesn't stop other pop acts from doing it, but Britney really does pull off some incredibly difficult moves. She's running all over the place and goin' nuts. You couldn't possibly expect her to sing like that. Maybe for the first 30 minutes, but if you really wanted her to sing live while doing all THAT, you'd better not expect a great performance, vocally.

I've watched some other pop acts and I respect the fact that they can sing and dance at the same time. I can barely jog and sound half as good as they do, but I think they keep they're careful about what sort of dancing moves they do. I know that Christina Aguilera prefers to sing live, so she dances a bit, walks around on the stage a bit, and dances again. It's a nice combination.

So yes, when Britney is dancing like crazy and getting the notes "perfect", it appears to me that she's most certainly lip synching it, but I believe when she moves to ballads and isn't required to dance, she sings live. (Although I havn't really seen enough Britney concerts to really say :P)

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helena.

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from: tootsie_roll
date: Jan. 5th, 2002 03:21 pm (UTC)
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yea - and like i said, i do respect her as a 'performer' i guess. she CAN dance. and i totally agree with yer statement about christina aguilera ... she sings like a mofo, but hardly dances. and personally, i'd rather hear what someone can do, rather than see what they can do. but 'nsync pull off some amazing things all while singing live. it's a never ending battle of pop acts i guess. :)

all musicians get my respect in one way or another.

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Unrepentant Artfag

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from: 00goddess
date: Jan. 9th, 2002 06:33 am (UTC)
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Actually, I worked professionally in musical theatre for about seven years, and I can say that it can be done, and it can be done well. Singing and dancing at the same time are very hard, but with commitment they are possible and can be done very well.

Madonna has done it for years. Remember the BLonde Ambition tour? And the Girly Show? That was some intense singing and dancing, and she did it all. She danced intensively for hours.



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Papillon

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from: buttaflii
date: Jan. 10th, 2002 07:09 pm (UTC)
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I never said it couldn't be done, no doubt, it COULD be done. I suppose it depends on the performer. I was just trying to say that if Britney doesn't want to sing live and dance at the same time, it doesn't really bother me or make me think much less of her, because I understand that it's difficult (ignoring the fact that I don't think much highly of her in the first place :P).

And Madonna rocks. :) I think Janet Jackson mentioned something about the Velvet Rope tour being really hard on her. I vaguely caught it when she did an interview or something on MTV.

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I Hear Your Mama Calling You...

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from: soulfly1974
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 11:59 am (UTC)
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dude, that's called life
DEAL WITH IT!

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Tim

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from: visions
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 01:10 pm (UTC)
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your assnine comment obviously shows your intelligence. if you want to make comments about something i post, do so with some manner of intelligence of forethought.

your comment had no relevance nor application to the topic at hand. not to mention that philisophically speaking, it has no merit either.

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I Hear Your Mama Calling You...

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from: soulfly1974
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 08:23 pm (UTC)
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oooooooooooh... I'm impressed!!! such big words for a dweeb such as me...

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in single file

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from: good_lil_roses
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 09:10 pm (UTC)
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But, dude, you have an "assnine" comment. I want assnine comments. :( I want to speak "philisophically," too.

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Spendocrat

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from: spendocrat
date: Jan. 6th, 2002 01:29 am (UTC)
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Wow, you're picking on a typo.

YOU MUST BE THE COOLEST PERSON ON THE INTARNET EVAR@#!@@!!!!

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Tim

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from: visions
date: Jan. 6th, 2002 08:33 am (UTC)
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yeah, it's pretty pathetic when the only retorts someone can muster are attacks on spelling. to each their own.

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Chuck

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from: cpm18
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 09:15 pm (UTC)
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on my experiences i've learned that all internet drama should be avoided at all costs

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The Reverend Dion

Reference the Windows client....

from: bazzleweewaa
date: Jan. 3rd, 2002 11:08 pm (UTC)
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kudos and bravo. I use it myself, its great work.

What I wanted to address was this post though. It seems to me to boil down to respect. You believe you should be given respect for your work here on LJ. Respect is earnt, not given though. I do agree however that for your work on LJ, your client development etc you do deserve respect. Well done on them all, and LJ will remain a healthy progressive forum whilst people such as yourself, dedicated to its betterment, continue to provide the excellent work you do. You tied in however the recent drama with Joe.

The thing is, that is a completely seperate issue. I am afraid that what you did there was, and no quibbling here, wrong. That however does not excuse the attacks made on you. Noone was an angel here, but by no means does that excuse the actions of any involved. Rational and intelligent thought/behaviour took a crushing defeat during that whole episode. Nonehteless, hopefully it is over and we move on. I have followed the billiam experiment since early in its inception, and found it highly amusing, but then I have ever been a simple soul. Obviously you didn't. Noone should be condemned for that view, everyone views things differently. Taking it to the extreme that you did (although I must say, having read some of your journal I believe something had seriously offended/concerned you) was excessive, and made it seem like the jealousy scenario you postulated here. I realise this wasn't the case, but surely you can see how low minded it could appear.

Thats my two cents anyway, and probably not worth that. Keep up the good work.

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The Arch-Emily

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from: nhyrvana
date: Jan. 4th, 2002 01:16 pm (UTC)
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I know nothing on the "billiam?" thing-drama-thing-whatever-thing. Could care less too.
Not going to comment on anything but the Britney aspect.

Why don't I like her? I don't appreciate the record companies trying to "force" an artist of any kind on me. I feel like I am having my options and choices taken away then. I feel that other artists who are just as deserving of the promotions and marketing are overlooked when this happens. But I feel this way about a lot of mediums, not just the music industry.

As for the rest, I'm no psychologist so I think I'll leave figuring out human behavior to Freud and his buddies.

Good night and good health to all.
-e

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